Redden: What is the Rockefeller family's motivation? Do they think they're doing good?

Horowitz: You know, to give them the benefit of the doubt, yeah. I mean, I start the book, Emerging Viruses, AIDS and Ebola, off with the famous quote by Solzhenitsyn, "To do evil, a human being must first believe that what they are doing is good. It is ideology that gives devil-doing its long-sought justification." And so, to give them the benefit of the doubt, let's just say they think they're doing good. They perceive, let's say, even though there's not a great deal of hard, scientific evidence, there's far more propaganda than really good analysis of this, that the over-population issue is largely a myth. And I say largely because there are certainly urban areas of the world that are quote, over-populated, unquote. But when one looks at the misuse of resources, the misuse of the environment, and you realize who is misusing and abusing that environment— look at what the oil industry has done, just the Rockefeller and royal family oil industry. Look at who pollutes the atmosphere. Look at who suppresses the alternative energy resources. So who is responsible for the degradation of the environment so that now those over-populated urban areas, they can't even get good water. They can't get good food. They can't grow things because the soil's been depleted by the same people who since the 1930's knew that their misuse of agriculture methods were going to cause a depletion of the minerals in the soils. So, all of this literally is mismanaged bio-agenda. And you could argue that all these people are making vast fortunes off of humanity's suffering. The Rockefellers monopolized American medicine in the 1920's. They, along with I.G. Farben, Germany's leading industrial organization, held the monopoly on the world's chemical and pharmaceutical industries. The Rockefellers and I.G. Farben worked together before World War II and during World War II. For all practical purposes, the Rockefellers and I.G. Farben were the Third Reich. So you can say, oh, it's just a figment of my conspiracy theorist's imagination that says that these people are preparing biologicals in their labs and transmitting them through their medical products, and these same people are putting ethylene dibromide in jet fuel, and everyone is getting upper respiratory infections from the biologicals and chemicals, and then these same people are making vast fortunes off all the quote effective antibiotics unquote that they have against these things. You can just make that argument. But then, unfortunately, if you're a true researcher, you don't even stop there. Suddenly you get laid out all of the other more insidious, more horrifying documentation, such as who also gave rise to Hitler's racial hygiene program—they're the same people. They funded it. It was the Rockefeller family that built and funded the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics and Human Heredity, which was run by Swiss psychiatrist Ernst Rudin, who was named president of the worldwide Eugenics Federation in 1932. Now that's real well articulated in that book published by St. Martin's by Aarons and Loftins called The Secret War Against the Jews. And also another very good book by Little Brown called Martin Boorman: Nazi in Exile. Martin Boorman, like Hitler, was never found. It's only come out recently on the History Channel that they admit it's likely that the carcass that was found in the bunker in Berlin was not Hitler's. I just saw that the other day on the History Channel. It was either the History or Discovery Channel, one of the two. Martin Boorman is clearly known to have skipped town and was never found. This was Germany's principle money man. He was in charge of the Nazi war chest. The entire German economy was under his direction. He was the liaison with the banksters, the Rockefellers. He laundered half of the remaining Nazi war chest through the Chase Manhattan Bank—the Paris branch—which remained open throughout the German occupation of France. And of course there was congressional testimony as to how the Rockefeller family and Standard Oil were operating and making fortunes off both sides during World War II.

Redden: Who else is involved in this conspiracy?

Horowitz: Well, there's the Merck Pharmaceutical Company. Their president, George W. Merck, was America's biological weapons industry director during World War II. He was personally appointed by President Roosevelt and Secretary of War Stimson...

Redden: And he had his own private pharmaceutical company?

Horowitz: And had a very well established private company called the Merck Pharmaceutical Company. And he and his company received the lion's share of the Nazi war chest. When Hitler and Martin Boorman knew they were going to lose the war, they invested their treasury in 750 corporations to produce a monopoly over the world's pharmaceutical and chemical industries. Hitler and Boorman invested heavily in Merck and other pharmaceutical companies. They not only knew that would be a good way to make money as a future investment, but they also knew that, given the Holocaust, you can mass exterminate people through chemicals, gasses and pharmaceuticals. You can take people out untraceably that way. So that was the target and primary objective for the rise of the Fourth Reich.

Redden: The Fourth Reich?

Horowitz: Exactly. That's what's going on today. The Nazis planned for it, they even had a term for it—"neue Ordnung"—which means New Order, New World Order. This today, this New World Order, is the rise of the Fourth Reich. This is precisely what they envisioned and then carried out.

Redden: On a global scale?

Horowitz: That's exactly what it is.

Redden: And the goal of the Fourth Reich is population control?

Horowitz: That, and genocide.

Redden: Who are they targeting for genocide?

Horowitz: The populations that have traditionally been targeted for genocide. I have a series of slides taken just weeks ago from the Denver Airport. There's a capstone, a dedication stone in the main terminal building of the Denver Airport dedicated to the New World Airport Commission by the Freemasons. And there's a big mural—a huge, beautiful, colorful mural—that is dedicated to the extinct species. And in the foreground, against the horrific backdrop of flames and destruction, there are three open coffins.

Redden: This is at the Denver Airport?

Horowitz: Yes. In the left hand coffin is a beautiful black woman dressed in native African attire representing the Black people of the world. In the center is a beautiful Native North American woman representing the Indians. And in the right, there's a beautiful blond-haired, likely blue-eyed woman, lying on an American quilt, clenching a Star of David and a Bible with a cross to her chest, representing the Jews and the Christians. So those are the people that are, you know, the agenda is to take them out. And, in fact, the United States quilt is very significant because the depopulation agenda put forth by the Rockefellers and their friends is to reduce the United State's population by half, back to 1940's levels. And in the new book Healing Codes of the Biblical Apocalypse we reprinted the full page advertisement to the world's wealthiest military-medical-industrialists on the Council of Foreign Relations to reduce the U.S. population which currently stands at 275 million down to 140 million, or about its size in the 1940's. So that's one out of every two Americans are targeted to go. And then you're looking at, why Christians and why Jews? Well again, if absolute power corrupts absolutely, and now you get into the realm of Satanism and Satanic and evil, pure evil, of course you would want to take out the people who hold God very close to their heart. And that's exactly what this woman is doing. She's clutching to her heart the Star of David and the cross. The Godly people. The Jews got God's first covenant with Abraham, then the Christians got the blood covenant with Jesus.

Redden: Do you see the Masons as part of the conspiracy.

Horowitz: Oh yeah, absolutely.That's well proven in the book Healing Codes of the Biblical Apocalypse.

Redden: I think when people think of Masons they think of some small fraternal lodge, like the Shriners or something like that.

Horowitz: Right, that's exactly right. And 99.99 percent of Masons have no clue what they're really up to at the highest levels. When you get to the highest levels, you see, they give you knowledge, increased knowledge at every higher degree of Freemason that you achieve. And it's not until you're beyond the 33rd degree, where you get the highest indoctrination into what's called the Ancient Arcana; that's the ancient sacred knowledge. We lay out much of that in the book Healing Codes of the Biblical Apocalypse, and then we show you, these are the devil-doers who are running this planet. They've been running this planet for centuries.

Redden: How does a person become that high in the Masonic organization?

Horowitz: I think bloodlines. You've got to be major royalty, major royalty, ideally a descendent or you've got to be somebody who is very close to the royalty, the major bloodlines.

Redden: One question. If there's an attempt underway to reduce the population of the planet, why isn't it going down?

Horowitz: It's more scriptural than anything else. God said you should populate the whole earth, and people have been doing it for awhile. But look at countries like those in Africa, Third World nations that have been heavily targeted with HIV/AIDS. And consider that 73 percent of HIV/AIDS patients in America today are Black or Hispanic, after 55 percent of gay men in America are already dead. Are you seeing depopulation specifically targeting minority groups now? Of course. It's happening right now. I think that the answer is, they don't want to totally eliminate populations completely, just certain populations. And isn't it, from their perspective, wonderful? They've got a covert depopulation agenda that nobody's picked up on yet. It's ideally what they want to produce. I don't think they're just doing for the money. I think there's a Satanic or evil ideology, because Nixon himself said, referring to the Rockefellers, President Nixon said it's not about money for these people, it's about power. People who are scripturally-oriented understand that absolute power corrupts absolutely, so these people get very, very evil when they get to that highest level. Now, if you're at that highest level, and now you have control over the population and you have control over the money and the money flow and how it works, and you've ultimately created your goal and you've fulfilled your objective to have a One World Government and a One World Bank, a One World Peacekeeping Force—the U.N.—a One World Economy, One World Currency, virtually, One World Court, and at the end of that sequence, it's kind of like playing the game Monopoly. At the end of the Monopoly game, what do you do? One person wins, they own all of the real estate, they own all of the assets, they've wiped all the other players out and the game is over. You put away in your closet. But you don't do that on planet earth. The person who wins at the end of that Monopoly game, they get a chance then to rearrange the board. And that's precisely what you've seen in the last year. You've seen not the biggest fish eating the biggest fish in international commerce, you have seen the mega-whales eating the mega-whales in these mega-mergers. So, ultimately, all these little companies that you don't recognize are producing your vitamins or your this or that, and you don't understand they're a subsidiary of a major conglomerate. Today a Warner Lambert or Glaxo Wellcom, all of these huge, huge corporations own all the little fish. They buy them out. So, again, now the game board gets to be changed if they desire, and apparently that's what they desire. That's their agenda, you can see it. And the second thing is, they get a chance to eliminate the players that they don't want to play with anymore.

Redden: I've been following the news stories on the flu for a couple of months now, the press coverage over the Internet—all the main wire services, AP, Reuters—and there was actually some coverage about crowded hospital rooms, some updating on the epidemic without ever using the word epidemic. But then, around the beginning of January, it just stopped. It was like somebody flipped a switch and the news coverage stopped. Like the word came down from somebody.

Horowitz: That's exactly what happens. It's Central Intelligence. It's real well known.

Redden: What do they do, make a phone call? Send a fax out?

Horowitz: Yes. Central Intelligence puts out a list of the top newsworthy items that are to be covered that day by the mainstream press. I mean, it doesn't take rocket scientist to see it. The fact of the matter is, if allegedly you have three independent main news networks plus CNN, how independent are they if they all repeat virtually the same story using the same clippings in close to the same order? They modify that a little bit so that the ignorant masses don't catch on too much, but basically that alone should tip you off. And of course when you read who's in charge of these organizations and how they fit into the Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations, you begin to say, holy smoke, no wonder. When you look at who controls the mainstream media—we list the members of the Council on Foreign Relations in the new book in the appendix. With a few exceptions, we've got the whole list. And you see that Time and Newsweek and the New York Times are totally infiltrated, totally controlled by its editors, associate editors, managers, chief commentators and columnists who are part of the power elite. These people will not do anything to violate their position because, at minimum, their fame and fortune and the money that they're bringing home to feed their own families is more important than turning up a notch their values and ethics and morals. So they will, even the politicians on Capitol Hill, the standard practice is Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil. Don't tell me, I don't want to know. There's so many important other news stories that never make it. As somebody who has not only a masters in media sciences, but on top of that I've been in the real world, working with the media, working with corporations; I'll give you an example. PR News wire service is one of the largest if not the largest fee-for news agencies in America. That is, if you're a corporation and you want to put out a news item about your product, that is the company you go through. Now, I have been a subscriber and on at least two occasions, probably three or more, I personally have had my news stories suppressed. I have not been treated fairly, by even that allegedly independent pay-for subscription news service. What happens is, I will submit a story, their assistant or associate editors will take the story, they'll put it in, then, if they have any questions about whether it's acceptable to be put on the wire services, they'll pass it by their editors or their attorneys, and if it says anything whatsoever that might be construed as slanderous they won't ask you, what is your documentation to support this claim? They just simply will not let it run, no matter how much you pay them, they'll say we're returning your money. We're not running this story. Now is that the way a free press should operate? Or would it be better to say, well, you make a very inflammatory claim here, could I please see the document upon which this claim is based? That would be a free press, but it doesn't work that way.

Redden: Well, right.

Horowitz: It just amazes me.The other thing that I've seen, the stuff that's constantly coming across my desk that the mainstream hasn't caught on, it's actually a great tribute to Joseph Gobbels and the Nazi psychiatrists who worked to perfect it, the use of mind control through media. Propaganda. And that's what's going on today.

Redden: What started you down this path? How did you come to pursue all of the things you've been working on over the years?

Horowitz: Hmmm. Well, gee, that's like asking a chicken where the first egg came from. How far do you want me to go back? In terms of, when did I get started in which area?

Redden: Well, you were in a prestigious college but you didn't follow the career path that everyone else did.

Horowitz: I guess I was always a trouble-maker, always questioning my teachers. I became that way when I was, well, let's see, I think the first time it was really noticeable to me was when I was in Tufts Dental School. I had already become somewhat of a non-conformist. I had been someone who was always told they would never amount to anything by all of my authority figures. Not so much my father, because my father's philosophy was that I could do anything I put my mind to. Of all the blessings that my father gave me, I think that was one of the principle ones because I've lived by that and I believe that for children today, that they can produce miracles. That they can do anything they put their minds to. But when I was in high school and I took my intelligence tests—and I did very poorly on those and I was always a poor tester—my counselor told me that I would never amount to anything, at best I should be a computer punch card operator. And then, my attitude was, given what my father taught me, my attitude against those authorities in academia by the way became, I'll show you. And then I got to college and I didn't really do that well first year out. And I was in pre-med and I had my counselor tell me to drop out because I would never get anywhere. I would never get to dental school, never get to medical school. And again I took the attitude, I'll show you. And then by miracles and tremendous blessings—I always had to work really hard, though, and I did work hard—I got terrific grades and just turned the whole thing around. I got into Tufts University School of Dental Medicine; then I got an invitation to go to Harvard. I turned Harvard down to go to what is considered today to be the world's top dental research training program, at the University of Rochester. It's called the Eastland Dental Center. I spent a year there. I almost graduated with my masters of science degree, but I hated Rochester and wanted to back to Boston. I was homesick. I went back to Boston and joined the faculty at Harvard in medicine, and then after working on the faculty there for a year, doing research primarily, then I was told by my department chairperson that I should go to finish my masters in public health. I had finished a dental public health certification program while I was on the faculty, and then he suggested strongly I go back and focus on behavioral science and media, for health education and health promotion and persuasion technologies research at the School of Public Health. So there I went. I studies with people like Gerald Lesser, the guy who created the children's television workshop, Ron Slaby who did the initial research, much of it, in aggression in childrens' television, Larry Green who was the Surgeon General of the United States, he was one of my professors. Terrific, terrific people that I studied under. And again, at that point, Larry Green, I just called him on some of his stuff I didn't agree with. Larry Green, you know, he was Surgeon General of the United States under Carter. He and I were on a first name basis. And I said, Larry, you know, and it was always in relation to spirituality. I said, you can talk about such and such and such and such, but unless you bring God into the equation, your public health protocol is far from complete. We had those kinds of discussions.

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