"Can we, as a country, all
agree
|
xmag.com
: March
2005 : interview
by Jim Goad
|
Hank Williams III, like Lisa
Marie Presley and those fuzzy
little babies allegedly spawned
by Michael Jackson, is musical
royalty by virtue of his birth
alone. Yet unlike the others,
he possesses musical talent.
Well, maybe the Baby Jacksons
do, too—time will tell.
But not Lisa Marie. No fucking
way.
In a recent sold-out performance
at Dante’s, he blew
through an exhilarating honky-tonk
set that shamed most of the
high-sheen twang-monkeys currently
churned out by Nashville’s
sausage-makers. Then he took
off the cowboy hat, let his
hair down, and metamorphosed
into an eardrum-pummeling
metal machine called Assjack.
Turns out he’s also
a fan of mine and still has
his collection of ANSWER Me!
issues from back in the day.
We sat in the back of his
tour bus along with his pet
Dobie, puffing on “green
crack” and talking about
things dear to our low-rent
Caucasian hearts.JIM GOAD:
Do you look at a lot of porn?
HANK WILLIAMS III: Into massive
amounts of porn, definitely.
What kind? What’s the
specialty?
Ahhhh…I guess for me…group
sex. I guess my ideal, it
goes back to when I was eight
years old, I was molested
by somebody in my family that
molested my mother and my
uncle—everybody—and
I never said anything about
it. You know, I dealt with
it myself until after the
dude was in the ground, I
got a little older and I heard
some stories, and I was like,
"Huh—interesting."
But going back to being exposed
at, you know, "Here,
look at this, let me get your
dick hard" when you’re
a young kid and shit like
that, so I got exposed to
porn at a very young age,
and "Hey, why don’t
you do this to your cousin?"
who was a girl, and he’d
try to send me on missions
and stuff. So it always played
a role as far as I guess the
masturbation thing kinda stuck
around a little bit. So I’ve
been around. You know, I’ve
shot a few myself.
You’ve shot some porn?
Yeah, you know, it never got
released.
Which side of the camera?
Both sides. I’ve done
both sides. On both angles.
It’s more of a tri-state,
southern Kentucky, Tennessee,
Georgia thing. You know, I’m
pretty into that for now.
Almost got to be in an official
non-porn movie that Ron Jeremy
was wantin’ to do about
some country shit. You know,
in like the hills of North
Carolina.
Like a documentary?
No, a real movie, man. And
he had the funding all ready
to go. This was probably about
five years ago. Had the funding,
had the script, and was very
serious about it, so I’ve
gotten to shoot the shit with
one of the kings of porn the
last six or seven years, man.
You know, he’s a workaholic
in reality. He wants to be
an actor.
So do you actually own these
tapes that you made?
That I made?
Yeah.
I do own them, and they’ve
only surfaced through one
swingers’ website that
I’m on. So that’s
the only way it’s kinda
out there.
Do you find that exciting?
’Cause in my case, I
finally got a cell-phone camera
and started takin’ pictures
of my dick and sendin’
it out to chicks. It’s
a real rush. I’m not
exactly proud, but like, it
was kind of a thrill.
[laughs] Definitely.
You got off on just—
—Somethin’ about
bein’—you know,
even when I was a young kid
on the road, besides the shit
that was happenin’ to
me on the fuckin’ farm,
when I’d go on the road,
I’m seein’ this
guy gettin’ his dick
sucked in the hallway, I’m
seein’ this guy fuck
a chick in the back of the
bus at the same time, and
it just all kind of—yeah,
it goes back to that kind
of a rush feelin’, but
yet I’m comfortable
in that environment also.
I remember back in Mardi Gras
in ’87, my wife took
a picture of me nude, and
I’m like, ‘There’s
no fuckin’ way I’m
ever showing this to anyone.’
I guess it was a bad angle
or something. Then a girlfriend
like a year ago insisted on
takin’ a picture and
when she did, I’m like,
"Ahh! Yeah, all right!"
[laughs] Yeah! Once you get
some certain angles, it’s
more rockin’, man. It’s
kinda forever endless.
I know my kinks are like a
big bush, like Jimi Hendrix
down there. And fucked-up
grilles.
Oh yeah?
A missing tooth or—not
rotten teeth—but like,
braces or a missing tooth?
Yeah. I’m all about
it.
Well, there’s one in
Florida that would drop you
to your knees, man. She is
GORGEOUS! But when she smiles?
She’s got at least one
or two missin’ right
there. But she’s fuckin’
hot as fuck! You wouldn’t
expect it.
Somebody sent me a postcard
of an ad for Russ Meyer’s
SUPERVIXENS in the joint.
I put it up on my wall and
I’m like, "Ehh…"
I blacked out one tooth, and
it was on. That was jack fodder
for about a year.
[laughs] Right. Yeah, man,
that’s funny.
Do you like eatin’ pussy?
If that machine is clean.
It goes back to the old sayin’,
you know. I’ve been
pretty lucky, you know, no
warts or shit like that on
the tongue or eyes or, you
know. I’ve had one pretty
serious infection that got
up in my nose and it looked
like a clown nose. And that’s
what it had to be from—I
know which girl it was, too,
man. And they had to cut it
and squeeze it and drain it...What
kind of infection was it?
My doc was like, since I had
my old lady with me, I don’t
think he officially said.
He just said, “You got
some really bad, fucked-up
fungus up in there, man.”
And I was like, “I know
what it is.” ’Cause
it happened like, started
off kinda small, and within
four days after bein’
with that girl, I couldn’t
even put on a T-shirt. The
shirt just barely touched
my nose, and I was like, “AGGH!”
I felt like somebody was stabbin’
me. So that was the weirdest
sexually transmitted disease
I’ve gotten, and it’s
a little mysterious, whatever
it was. Some uncleanliness
thing goin’ on, I guess.
What’s the oddest proposition
a groupie’s ever made?
Ahh, well, I would have to
say, it wasn’t a groupie,
but it was a promoter and
his wife. So, after the show—”Why
don’t y’all come
up to the house and fuck my
wife?” “Are you
sure?” “Yeah,
come on, everybody!”
Run a train on his wife?
We went up there, and I had
like a sixty-five-year-old
fiddle player with me at the
time, man. I said, “Vernon,
c’mon, man, you gotta
check this crazy shit out.”
He was like, “What are
we doin’?” I said,
“It’s a surprise,
just come on up to the house.”
So we all, like eight of us
walk in there, and he pours
us drinks and then goes back
and he’s like, “Who
wants her?” My drummer
said, “I’ll take
her!” He starts off,
goes and takes all her fuckin’
clothes off, and then the
next thing you know, she’s
doin’, like every hole’s
filled, and I’m lookin’
over at Vernon, and I’m
like, “What do you think,
Vernon?” And he’s,
“Ahh, I don’t
want none of that. I can’t
even look at any of that.”
But that was pretty fuckin’
weird, havin’ somebody
book us, and then after the
show, bring us to their house,
and everybody fucks his wife.
And then one of the sons walks
in toward the end of it—
—How old are we talkin’
about? Teenage?
Yeah. Old enough to know what
the fuck’s goin’
on, man. And when he walked
in, we all started laughin’
and freakin’, and we
all just hauled ass back to
the bus and left. And it was
the same town that Johnny
Paycheck shot somebody. It
was the last town where he
shot somebody. Somewhere in
Ohio.
The LAST town where he shot
somebody?
Yeah. I’m not tryin’
to name names, but goddamn,
that’s like the biggest
beyond-groupie kinda thing—
—You ever see the video
where some chick sends Steve
Vai—
[laughs] Yeah. The pussy farts.
You ever get any shit like
that?
No.
Pictures?
Lotta pictures. Get some pictures.
We got a nice little “Hellbilly
Honey” calendar goin’
on. It’s not X-rated
or anything, but it’s
comin’ along. It might
get a little bit more interesting,
because I’ve been kind
of taken for the last six
years—to a point, you
know? Bein’ as good
as I can.
Actually, when I hung out
with Jesco [White, "The
Dancing Outlaw"], we
went over into Vulcan, West
Virginia, a place where they
raise hundreds of roosters
with their little fuckin’
tents and shit, like they
raise them for fighting. We
went into a trailer where
they were breeding chickens,
and they had a Rebel flag
with a picture of your dad.
Oh, yeah.
Somethin’ about, like,
“Oh, how it would have
been if we had won.”
“If the South woulda
won, we’d have had it
made.” That’s
it, man.
So what’s the deal with
your dad?
Nowadays?
Hank’s like a, Hank
Sr.’s just, I mean,
a god, but [your dad] doesn’t
get nearly the respect. I
hear a lot of people talk
like, “Oh, he’s
like his grandfather."
Who—Jr.?
No, you.
Yeah, but you’re goin’
and sayin’ how Jr. didn’t
get the respect.
Not from the—I mean,
you appeal to a kind of a
hipster element.
I guess. But no matter what,
man, back in ’85, that
Hank Ruger emblem was every-fuckin’-where.
I mean, all of the keg parties
in the South and all of that
crazy drinkin’ and bikers
and, you know, people can
say, “Hank Jr. this
and that,” but no matter
what, man, he carved a huge
fuckin’ niche. He’s
released over seventy-four
fuckin’ records. Forced
into the business. Did his
fuckin’ thing. Even
though me and him don’t
get along and I talk shit
about him, I still praise
what he’s done, man.
Well, even GG Allin did [Hank
Jr.’s song] “Family
Tradition.”
Yes. And my dad could never
understand people like that
at all. Jr. got a piece of
Jesco’s artwork once
and sure enough I’m
like, “Do you still
have that?” “Hell,
no.” He don’t
know how priceless little
things like that are, man,
but he carved a niche, and
he did a LOT, man. And me,
I think I’m more unpure,
you know? Hank Williams Sr.
sang about the light, and
I sing about the dark. And
more the bad than the good.
Was “I Saw the Light”
a Hank Sr. song? He wrote
that?
Yes. For real.
[I was in] Jolo, West Virginia,
[at a] snake-handling church—they
did like a twenty-five minute
version of that. It was like
the greatest live music experience
I’ve ever seen in my
life.
Wow.
The pastor looked like Timothy
Leary.
Whew! [taps his head] That’s
just in here, huh? Is that
on tape anywhere, or is that
just in your brain?
It’s just in my brain,
yeah. I wonder if they’re
still doin’ it. This
was back like in ’97
on that little Jesco tour
I took....What about black
chicks?
Uhh, never been there, but
I’ve never been asked,
either. [Phil] Anselmo [ex-singer
of Pantera and bandmate of
Hank III in Superjoint Ritual],
for instance, he’s fucked
over five thousand chicks,
man, and he’s like,
[imitates Anselmo’s
gravelly voice] “The
best is that black fuckin’
pussy.” And that probably
goes back to that he’s
hung like a fuckin’—
—Yeah, he’s legendary.
Yeah, he’s hung like
a fuckin’ full-on big-dick
black motherfucker, man, you
know, so those gals are kinda
used to catering to that size,
you know. Pussy—it all
depends on how good they are
in the end, but I would never
turn it down if it was there
and I was feelin’ right
and I had a little bit of
whiskey dick goin’ on,
I might go down there, but
my biggest thing is Asian.
You like Asian?
Asian owns my heart.
I’ve been with a handful
of black chicks. Wildly attracted
to Asian chicks. Never had
the opportunity.
I had a dream come true in
Japan.
Oh, man.
Fuckin’ one of the assistants
workin’ the club. My
manager was like, “Well,
are you doin’ anything
tonight?” She’s
like, “No”—she
could speak English, too—and
he was like, “[Hank’s]
pretty bored if you wanna
take him out.” “Ah,
really?” That’s
the only girl who’s
ever like, took me out on
the town, got drunk, went
back to the room, fucked my
brains out and then two minutes
later, she’s like, “All
right, good to see you!”
Oh, how perfect is that?
But I was like, “Wait,
hold on, don’t fuckin’
leave!” For me, I was
just like, “Hold on
a minute!” and she was
like, “Nope. See you
later.” Boom! Pow! And
I was like, “Well, at
least I got to fuckin’
try the real deal.”
See, I remember a chick once,
she was like, “I wanna
suck your dick and go home,”
and I’m like, “Where
you been all my life?”
It was perfect.
[laughs] Right….yeah,
I know, man.
Who needs the pillow talk?
I know it, man. But that was
back in like ’94, I
guess. Hopefully I’ll
get to make it back there
soon.
Do you ever get static for
the Rebel flag stuff?
Oh, yeah. I mean, it’s—OK,
here’s how I gotta look
at it. I’ve already
told you about how I look
on the race issues. No matter
what, hate is hate. You respect
where you’re from—period.
And that’s the way I
look at it, man. You respect
where you’re from, all
right? Hank Williams [Sr.]
got taught his shit from a
black guy. I mean, that was
the gift from them to him,
to our blood, our bloodline,
or whatever, man. So as much
as I am flyin’ the flag
for the South—you know,
I’m forty miles from
where the Klan was fuckin’
originated.
Where do you live—in
Tennessee?
Yeah.
Pulaski?
Yeah, outside of Pulaski,
man. And you know, so I get
shit about it. I’ve
done my time because of being
around skinheads. Even though
I’ve never officially
had a shaved head, but bein’
around ‘em, I got classified
real quick. And I like that
style of music, man. If it’s
SHARP skins or racial skins,
they have an energy in their
music that is somethin’
that I feel. And, you know—am
I racist? I would have to
say yes, I am.
[laughs] You’re the
only person in the world I’ve
ever heard say that. Everybody
else is, “Well, no,
not really, it depends on
how you define it.”
The way I look at it, it’s
like, yeah, I’m not
ashamed of who I am. Am I
a white supremacist? No. In
my experience, Asians and
Jews are more intelligent.
Where does that fit me in?
I don’t believe in equality,
but I don’t believe
in white supremacy, and I
don’t hate who I am.
Right, and that’s where
sittin’. Yes, I am racist,
but yes, I do support this
camp, and this camp, and this
camp that’s all fightin’
for where they’re from.
And that’s it, man.
[Your dog] got a little relaxed
there. I think he just farted.
Aww. You know, I have a black
guy out on this tour, I have
a guy from Vancouver whose
skin isn’t white, but
I don’t look at it like
that. I’m just lookin’
at the whole picture, you
know? And the band that I
listen to that throw the race
issues—KILL WHITE BOYS,
and stuff like that—well,
I take my hat off to them
for havin’ that much
balls and goin’ for
it and doin’ that thing,
man. Today it’s cool
to hate the white man finally,
you know it’s come up
to fuck whitey, his time has
come to beat that motherfucker
down in the ground, you know?
And here soon, the Mexicans
are gonna be beatin’
everybody in the fuckin’
ground, dude. You know, it’s
all where you come from, you
know?
The only experience I’ve
ever had with a hooker was
in 2001, we did this thing
called the Angry White Male
Tour. W played at the Bunnyranch
in Reno and we got free passes.
So I picked a 19-year-old
chick from Compton—did
her with my Confederate soldier
hat on.
[laughs] That’s funny
man. Compton—we weere
close to there a couple days
ago, but we didn’t roll
through it. But I get a kick
out of it…can’t
make everybody happy, you
know? It’s not like
I’m out sayin’
“White Power”
everywhere I fuckin’
go, you know? But I’ve
gotten shit for it onstage,
man, and that’s just
one of them things. I’m
from the South, and I’ve
had my truck full of pissed-off
motherfuckers before.
Do you think Southern chicks
are different in bed?
Ahhhhhh—maybe a little
bit, I don’t know. I
guess the sounds.
The sounds?
The sounds. Pronunciation.
Ahh, yeah.
“Fuck me hahda, fuck
me hahda,” if you’re
up in Boston or somewhere,
opposed to a girl from the
South, full-on from the South,
“Ahhll cunnntryfied.”
Not more eager to please?
Yeah, some of them, yeah,
it depends, I guess, man.
But I would just say maybe
on the accents. If she knows
how to fuck, she knows how
to fuck.
|
|
|
|
© 2005 Xmag, LLC. All rights reserved. copyright | trademark | legal notices |
|